Mar 08

PATS News Release

 

 

 

 

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

 

MEDIA ADVISORY

Study Shows That More Pennsylvania High Schools Have Licensed Athletic Trainers

HARRISBURG, March 7, 2012 – March is recognized as “National Athletic Training Month” in Pennsylvania as well as across the country and athletic trainers in PA can certainly have something to be proud of. The percentage of Pennsylvania Secondary Schools who have access to professional quality health care provided by a Licensed Athletic Trainer (AT) at the school has risen from 81% during the 2010-2011 academic year to 86% during the current 2011- 2012 academic year. This translates to an increase of 36 more schools with access to ATs. This marks a significant commitment by school districts to insure student-athletes have proper on-site healthcare despite challenging economic times.

According to the National Athletic Trainers’ Association, only 42% of high schools across the county have access to ATs demonstrating that the athletes’ welfare takes precedence within the Commonwealth. Schools are realizing the need for the special training and qualifications of a Licensed Athletic Trainer and recognizing that having ATs on-site is the standard of care necessary. The need for quality health care for student-athletes has always been present; however with recent legislative focus in the state on many sports health issues including care for concussions, sudden cardiac death, Automatic External Defibrillates (AEDs), the need for immediate access to health care is increasingly being met by athletic trainers.

The highest percentage of schools having access to a Licensed Athletic Trainer can be found in PIAA Districts 8 and 11 with 100% of schools reporting such access. The lowest percentage is in District 12 with 64% of schools reporting their student-athletes have access to health care at their schools by a Licensed Athletic Trainer.

Parent groups also know the benefits and necessity of having athletic trainers. MomsTeam, a national organization founded by Brooke de Lench in 2000 is dedicated to one primary mission: “to make sure that youth sports are safe, affordable, stress free and more fun!” The MomsTeam website www.MomsTeam.com has over 10,000 + pages of information and videos for youth sports parents and has become the most trusted resource of sports parenting information.

MomsTeam has long advocated that parents have the right to have a certified athletic trainer (AT) on staff of their child’s team. They have developed a video that strongly encourages ALL schools to have an athletic trainer which can be viewed here: http://ow.ly/9uACw Brooke de Lench, reports “an AT is so important that he or she should be the next hire after the head coach.” She further states, “The AT often sees the athlete on a daily basis, and thus has the opportunity to establish a trusting relationship in which the athletes become more comfortable in reporting injuries.”

The increase in access to athletic trainers comes on the heels of the recent passage of licensure for athletic trainers which made Pennsylvania the fortieth (40th) state to pass licensure. Licensed Athletic Trainers work under the direction of physicians in the Commonwealth to protect and enhance the health and welfare of our clients through prevention, recognition, management, and rehabilitation of injuries. Schools that do not have the professional services of athletic trainers will often rely on non-medical personnel such as coaches and administrators to make the health care decisions.

The Pennsylvania Athletic Trainers’ Society (PATS) is a progressive organization of health care professionals who work under the direction of a licensed physician. PATS represents approximately 3000 Licensed Athletic Trainers and

Athletic Training Students in Pennsylvania. This is currently the largest number of Athletic Trainers (ATs) of any state in the nation. Further, Pennsylvania boasts one of the highest numbers of accredited Athletic Training Education Programs in the nation (20).

CONTACTS:

PATS President, Greg Janik, MS, ATC, LAT Kings College
133 North River Street
Wilkes-Barre, PA 18711

Phone: 610.496.4192 E-Mail: gkjanik@kings.edu Web: www.gopats.org

MomsTeam Founder, Brooke de Lench E-Mail: delench@momsteam.com Web: www.MomsTeam.com

Mar 05

PIAA Inter-District State Basketball Playoffs

Tuesday – March 6, 2012
Class 2A- (Girls)
Game played at High School of the Future
Game Manager Ben Dubin
215-266-5833
Tuesday- March 6

Friday- March 9

Friday- March 9

(Girls 2A) HSOF vs. New Hope-Solebury - 6pm @ H.S. of Future

Friday – March 9, 2012
Class 4 A & 2A (Girls)
Games played at Germantown High School
Game Manager Mike Hawkins
215.805.4184

(Girls 4A) Central vs. Solanco - 6pm @ G-Town
(Girls 2A) E & S vs. – Lancaster Mennonite 7:30 pm @ G-Town

Friday – March 9, 2012
Class 3A & 1A (Boys)
Games played at South Philly High School
Game Manager Ben Dubin
215-266-5833

(Boys 3A) Boys Latin vs. Pope John Paul II - 6pm @ So Philly
(Boys 1A) Constitution vs. Camp Hill - 7:30 pm @ SPh

Friday- March 9, 2012
Class 2A & 4A (Girls)
Games played at Father Judge H.S.
Game Manager- Ed Evanitsky
215-313-8439

Friday- March 9

Friday- March 9

(Girls 2A) Bishop McDevitt vs. Minersville - 6pm @ Father Judge
(Girls 4A) Archbishop Carroll vs. Haverford - 7:30 @ Father Judge

Friday, March 9, 2012
Class 3A (Boys)
Game Played at Archbishop Ryan H.S.
Game Manager- George Todt
215-850-9507

(Boys 3A) Neumann-Goretti vs. Greenscastle-Antrim- 7pm @ Arch. Ryan

Saturday- March 10

Saturday – March 10, 2012
Class 4A Boys - 3A Girls - 2A Boys
Games played at South Philly High School
Game Manager Ben Dubin
215-266-5833

(Boys 4A) Bartram vs. Cent. Dauphin East - 3pm @ South Philly
(Girls 3A) Prep Charter vs. Susquehanna - 4:30pm @ South Philly
(Boys 2A) Comm. Tech vs. Columbia - 6pm @ S. Philly

Saturday – March 10, 2012
Class 1A Girls- 3A Girls
Games played at Monsignor Bonner H.S.
Game Manager Jake Serfass
215-498-1599

Saturday- March 10

Saturday- March 10

(Girls 1A) MCS vs. Harrisburg Christian - 3:00pm @ M Bonner
(Girls 3A) Neum. Goretti vs. Nazareth Academy- 4:30 pm @ MB

Saturday, March 10, 2012
Class 2A Boys- 4A Boys
Games played at Archbishop Ryan H.S.
Game Manager- George Todt
215-850-9507

(Boys 2A) Bish. McDevitt vs. Shen. Valley - 3:30pm @ Ar. Ryan
(Boys 4A) SJ Prep vs. C.B. West @ 5:00pm – Arch. Ryan

Feb 22

DISTRICT 12 SWIM CHAMPIONSHIP INFORMATION SHEET

TO: PIAA District XII Principals, Athletic Directors, and Swimming Coaches
FROM: Dennis Sheedy, Philadelphia Public League Swim Chairperson &
Anthony Resch, Philadelphia Catholic League Swim Moderator.
RE: 2012 PIAA District XII Swimming Championships
DATE: February 17, 2012 & February 18, 2012

PLEASE SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOUR SWIMMING & DIVING
COACHES!!!

Attached you will find the qualifying standards and entry information for the 2012 PIAA
District XII “AA” and “AAA” Boys and Girls Swimming Championships to be held at
the Kirk Pool of La Salle University on Friday, February 17, 2012 & Saturday, February
18, 2012.
CHAMPIONSHIP MEET DATES:
The 2012 PIAA District XII Swimming Championships for both “AA” and“AAA” will
be held during a two day Swimming Championship on Friday, February 17, 2012 &
Saturday, February 18, 2012.
(For the meet time schedule, see the “AA”& “AAA” Swimming Time Schedule.)
MEET FORMAT: All rules and regulations from the National Federation Rules
Book will apply. All swimming events will be timed final events. There will be 3 heats
per individual event. The six fastest times will be seeded in the last heat of each event.
The order of events will follow the State Championship meet format.
ENTRY QUALIFICATIONS AND LIMITS: For all swimming events each school
will be allowed to enter athletes in accordance with the following guidelines:
Swimmers MUST meet 2009-2012 National Age Group Motivational Times Short
Course Yards 15-16 “B” Girls, “BB” Boys.
A maximum of four (4) swimmers per individual event provided all four (4) swimmers
meet the qualifying time.
Each swimmer may enter a maximum of four (4) events, no more than two (2) of which
may be individual events.
Each school that sponsors swimming will be permitted to enter one (1) relay team per
relay event (EXCEPT PPL). Eight (8) names may be listed for each relay and any four
(4) may swim. The relay will not count as an event for those listed but not swimming.
Entry Procedure: All entries are due Tuesday, February 14th. Team Manager Files
can be emailed to platt@lasalle.edu
AWARDS: In both “AA” and “AAA”, individual medals will be awarded to the first (1st)
through third (3rd) place finishers in the individual events and relay events.
STATE CHAMPIONSHIP QUALIFIERS:
The 2012 PIAA State Championship meet will be held at Bucknell University in
Lewisburg.
The competition will take place on Wednesday, March 16through Saturday, March 19,
2012.
The number of automatic advancers from the District Championship, to the PIAA State
Championship will be as follows:
AA Girls’ Swimming: Top (1) finisher/relay team in each event.
AA Boys’ Swimming: Top (1) finisher/relay team in each event.
AAA Girls’ Swimming: Top (1) finisher/relay team in each event.
AAA Boys’ Swimming: Top (1) finisher/relay team in each event.
IMPORTANT NOTE – Additional State Qualifiers in Swimming: In addition to the

automatic qualifiers from the Districts/Regions, the 16 fastest individual swimming event
entries and the 8 fastest relay event entries on a statewide basis, who did not receive
automatic qualifiers, will advance to the PIAA Swimming Championship. The entry
times for this purpose will be the times swum at the PIAA District/Region qualifying
meets.
ADMISSION PRICES: Admission to the District XII Championships will be $6.00 for
adults and $3.00 for students per day.

IMPORTANT DATES:
AAA- Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday March 13,14 & 15, 2012
AA – Friday & Saturday March 16 & 17, 2012: The 2012 PIAA State Championships
at Bucknell University in Lewisburg.

2012 PIAA District 12 “AA” & “AAA” Swimming
Championships

La Salle University
Time Schedule

Friday, February 17, 2012

Day1
Upon Arrival Submit Completed Relay 3×5 cards
5:00 PM. Warm-ups
5:30 PM Officials Meeting
5:45 PM Coaches Meeting (Scratch Meeting)
6:00 PM AA Girls Swimming Starts 200 YD. Medley Relay
AA Boys
AAA Girls
AAA Boys
200 YD. Freestyle
200 YD. Individual Medley
50 YD. Freestyle
100 YD. Butterfly
200 YD. Freestyle Relay
Awards Day 1 AA & AAA Swimming

Saturday, February 18, 2012

Day 2
Upon Arrival Submit Completed Relay 3 x 5 cards
5:00 PM. Warm-ups
5:30 PM Officials Meeting
5:45 PM Coaches Meeting (Scratch Meeting)
6:00 PM AA Girls Swimming Starts 100 YD. Freestyle
AA Boys
AAA Girls
AAA Boys
500 YD. Freestyle
100 YD. Backstroke
100 YD. Breaststroke
400 YD. Freestyle Relay
Awards Day 2 AA & AAA Swimming

Feb 07

AA Wrestling Playoffs

AA Championship

District 12 Champion is Bishop McDevitt

District One champion is Lower Moreland

The two champions will meet on Monday, February 6, 2012 at Lower Moreland  at 7 PM

The winner will advance to the State Championship at Hershey on Thursday, February 9, 2012.

Dec 02

Field Hockey Standings

Congrtatulations to Northeast High School

2011 Public League Champions


All Senior Game

November 17th, Northeast Supersite

3:15 PM


Oct 27 – Semi Final Results 

  • Northeast – 3  Girls High – 0
  • Washington – 2  Franklin Towne – 0

Final – Nov. 2 @ Germantown Supersite 3:00pm

  • Northeast vs Washington

School

Wins

Loss

 Tie

 Total Points

 Northeast  11  0  1  34
 Washington  8 3  1  25
 Franklin Towne  7  2  2  23
Girls High  6  6  0  18
Central  5  6  1  13
 Lincoln  2  9  1  7
 Rhodes  0  12  0  0

Important Dates

Nov 3 - Post Season Meeting @ Girls High 3:30
Nov 5 - D12 Finals @ Germantown @ 2
Nov 8 - 1st round of PIAA playoffs @ Germantown
Nov 17 - All Senior Game @ Northeast @ 3:15-discuss details at the post season meeting

Dec 02

INDOOR TRACK AND FIELD SCHEDULE 2011-2012

 

 PHILADELPHIA PUBLIC LEAGUE
 INDOOR TRACK AND FIELD SCHEDULE
 2011-2012
 
 DATE    LOCATION    TIME  SPONSOR    DIVISION
2/3/12 Lehigh 6:30 PM DVGT Girls
2/9/12 Swarthmore 5:30 PM DVGT Novice Girls
2/10/12 Lehigh 6:30 PM TFCA of GP Both Divisions
2/11/12 Lehigh 9:00 AM Invitational Track Carnival Coed
2/17/12 Lehigh 6:30 PM DVGT Girls Meet of Champions
2/18/12 Lehigh 9:00 AM TFCA of GP Boys Meet of Champions
2/25/12 Penn State University 9:00 AM Invitational State Championships Coed
3/9-3/11 Armory Track 9:00 AM Invitational National Championships Coed

 

Dec 02

Football Playoff Schedule

PHILADELPHIA PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
DATE AWAY HOME SITE TIME
 NOV.19  ARCHBISHOP WOOD DOBBINS NORTHEAST  12:00
 NOV.19  LASALLE  WASHINGTON  NORTHEAST  4:00
NOV.10 NORTHEAST LINCOLN LINCOLN 2:30
NOV.10 FELS EDISON EDISON 2:30
NOV.10 BEN FRANKLIN CENTRAL CENTRAL 2:30
NOV.10 GERMANTOWN FURNESS SOUTH PHILLY 2:30
NOV.10 WEST PHILA MASTBAUM NORTHEAST 2:30
NOV.10 SOUTH PHILLY OVERBROOK GRATZ 2:30
NOV.10 SCHOOL of the FUTURE OLNEY OLNEY 2:30
NOV.10 COMM TECH ROXBOROUGH ROXBOROUGH 2:30
NOV.10 PREP CHARTER KING GERMANTOWN 2:30
NOV.10 UNIVERSITY CITY BARTRAM WEST 2:30
NOV.10 GRATZ DELAWARE VALLEY DOBBINS 2:30
DISTRICT XII AA SEMIFINALS
NOV.12 WEST CATHOLIC BOK SOUTH PHILLY 12:00
NOV.12 SPRINGFIELD IMHOTEP SOUTH PHILLY 3:00
PPHS  AAA CHAMPIONSHIP
NOV.12 BOYS LATIN DOBBINS NORTHEAST 1:00
PPHS AAAA CHAMPIONSHIP
NOV.12 WASHINGTON FRANKFORD NORTHEAST 4:00

 

Dec 02

All Public League Soccer

Nov 05

8/24/2011 Committee Meeting Minutes

Re: PIAA District XII Minutes August 24, 2011

District XII

Minutes of meeting of August 24 Torresdale-Frankford C.C. 1:00 P.M.

Absent: Joseph Dworetzky (SRC Commissioner), Jason Budd (Dir. Secondary Student Services PCL), Bill Mc Cusker (President PCL), Marian Sadler (Counselor), Bob Jones (Treasurer)

Guest Interns P.P.L.: Len Nicoletti (Kutztown University), Tina Vincent (Temple University) Sport Symposium on Fields, Sponsorship, Security, Lighting, Grass, etc.

Minutes of May 16 were approved (19-0)

Treasurer Robert Coleman received a check from Delaware Valley Charter School for 2010-2011 District XII dues $700.00 ($600 plus $100 penalty).

Boyer & Ritter was selected by the officers of District XII to conduct the audit for 2010-2011. Mr. Bob Jones with Robert Coleman and Fran Dougherty met with representatives of Boyer & Ritter on August 16 to provide them the information they need for our 2010-2011 audit.

Andre Noble asked for a list of Charter Schools email addresses to facilitate District XII dues that will be due December 1, 2011.

Mr. Robert Coleman asked if Fran Dougherty would inform Bob Jones to bring a copy of District XII invoices ($600) for all schools at our next meeting on September 14, 2011.

Mr. Fran Dougherty recommended to the District XII committee that our treasurer receive a $2,500.00 increase in his salary and asked the committee members to consider this at our September 14 meeting.

Chairman Report A list of meetings for 2011-2012 District XII is as follows: September 14, October 5, November 2, December 7, January 4, February 1, March 14, April 11, May 9.

Andre Noble informed Robert Coleman that a Charter School female representative is needed for the District XII Committee.

Meeting of P.P.L and P.C.L sport chairs will be held on September 14 at 11:00 A.M. at the Torresdale-Frankford C.C.

George Todt reminded all District XII members must give the District XII office (Fran Dougherty) a copy of any transfer involving their respective schools.

List of spring 2011 District XII Champions are as follows:

Tennis (Girls) AAA Cardinal O Hara, AA Lansdale Catholic

Tennis (Boys) AAA LaSalle High AA Archbishop Carroll

Track (Girls) AAA Cardinal O Hara AA West Catholic

Track (Boys) AAA Father Judge AA West Catholic

Baseball AAA Neumann/Goretti AAA Monsignor Bonner AA Springfield (M)

Volleyball (Boys) George Washington

Soccer (Girls)

Lacrosse (Boys) AAA St. Joseph Prep

Softball (Girls) AAA Archbishop Ryan AA Lansdale Catholic

Mr. Robert Coleman asked the District XII committee to approve the following new District XII PIAA new membership schools. Mr. Coleman logic for this framework was stronger community relations, better overall programs, and fiscal sanity.

Truebright Science Academy

Olney Charter H.S.

Fitzsimmons/ Vaux H.S.

Universal Audenried H.S.

Furness/ South Philadelphia H.S.

Mastery/ Gratz

Approved 17-0-1

AA Football Mr. Coleman along with football chair person Joe Stanley will contact representatives of District 1 to make sure we are in agreement with the structure of the sub-regional (four teams) AA football playoffs for 2011.

Next Meeting September 14 1:00 P.M.

Nov 05

9/14/2011 Committee Minute Meetings

Date: September 14, 2011

Re: PIAA District XII Minutes September 14, 2011

District XII

Minutes of meeting of September 14 Torresdale-Frankford C.C. 11:00 P.M.

Absent: Joseph Dworetzky (SRC Commissioner), Jason Budd (Dir. Secondary Student Services PCL), Bill Mc Cusker (President PCL), Andre Noble (Imhotep Charter), Pat Manzi (Bishop McDevitt), Ruth Rotimi (Female Rep.), Dr. Sheldon Pavel ( Principal), Fred Antowiak (Parent), Mike Hawkins (Vice Chairman)

Minutes of August 24 were approved (16-0)

Treasurer Bob Jones reported the following balances:

June 30 $54,434.71

July 31 $47,934.71

August 31 $47,421.74

Bob Jones gave Robert Coleman a copy of all invoices for District XII members. Invoices ($600) will be mailed out October 1, 2011 and payable in sixty days.

Bob will email all Principal’s, CEO’S, and Athletic Directors of Charter Schools (22) in District XII to make them aware of their 2011-2012 District XII dues and due date. Mr. Jones want’s all Sport Chairs to be aware that deposits from District XII Championship’s should be deposited within two business days, and financial reports sent to the District XII treasurer as soon as possible. All outstanding bills must be turned into the District’s treasurer by the end of the June of each school year to be compensated for work done that athletic year. The calendar year starts July1, 2011 and ends June 30, 2012.

District XII Audit with Boyer &Ritter for 2010-2011 is progressing.

Chairman Mr. Coleman welcomed Charter School Female Rep. Jameelah Turner from Mastery Charter South who will sharing the District XII Charter female representation with Andria Garner also from Mastery Charter South.

Mr. Coleman asked Mr. Tom McClain (Male Official) to report on his attendance at this years PIAA Officials Interpretation meeting held in Harrisburg, Pa. this past June. Mr. McClain enjoyed his experience and inter-action with officials from throughout the State of Pennsylvania. Tom Mc Clain made the following recommendation for the October PIAA Board of Governors meeting which he felt would benefit District XII Officials. Mr. McClain recommends rotating the conference throughout the State each year, as well as possibly changing the date of the meeting since it conflicts with the college referees interpretation meeting which is held at the same time.

Mr. Tom McClain had written a check to District XII for $115.00, Mr. Coleman asked our treasurer Bob Jones to reimburse Tom McClain for the above amount since Mr. McClain inadvertently sent the check to the District XII treasurer by mistake. 16-0-0

Mr. Coleman with assistance from Fran Dougherty will send information to the sport chairs of the PPL and the PCL so they can communicate the dates, and sites of the District fall Championships.

Mr. Coleman reported television of District XII AAAA football Championship by Channel 6 can become a reality with District XII helping with corporate sponsors. Mr. Coleman concern about lack of attendance and how to make the game attractive to young people was discussed with a recommendation to form a sub committee of PPL leaders to attempt to develop ideas for increased attendance at our AAAA Football Championship.

PIAA Insurance surcharge ($200) for District XII representation in State playoffs is $2000.00 which is from the following sports: Football (2) $400.00

Wrestling (2) $400.00

Basketball (6) $1200.00

Golf Championship Mr. Coleman expressed concern about having the District XII tournament outside the City of Philadelphia, but after much discussion it was determined that the City of Philadelphia has no golf courses available for the District XII golf tournament that would be financially reasonable for District XII. This years District XII Golf Tournament will be held on October 11 at Penn Oaks C.C. The cost of each athlete representing District XII will be $30.00, approximately forty golfers will participate in the District XII Golf Tournament with the total cost about $1,200.00.

Mr. Dougherty recommended to Mr. Coleman that out District XII Treasurer receives a salary increase of $2,500.00 which would take him from $5,000.00 to $7,500.00. The

District XII committee voted 15-0-0 in favor of this increase.

Mr. Coleman recommended that our Hearing Officer receive a salary increase of $1,000.00 which would take him from $1,000.00 to $ 2,000.00. The District XII committee voted 14-0-0 in favor of this increase.

CO-OP Sponsorship George Washington H.S. and Mast Community Charter School

Mr. Matt Ehrlich, Athletic Director of Mast Charter with the support of Ken Geiser, Athletic Director Washington H.S, asked to dissolve their CO-OP sponsorship The District XII committee voted 14-3 -0 in favor of dissolving their CO-OP sponsorship. Matt Ehrlich, Athletic Director of Mast asked the District XII committee to vote on a new CO-OP with the exception of Girls Soccer (A)

The vote was 17-0-0 in favor of the new CO-OP.

Miscellaneous The District XII committee asked at the October Board of Directors they consider the following points of interest from the District XII committee.

District XII would like to know what the PIAA policy is when it comes to a school in one district wanting to play in another district.

District XII would like to see coaching standards for all PIAA schools. (American Sport Education Program recommended by PSADA)

All District XII member schools should be aware that new enrollment numbers are due in early October (October 17) to the PIAA office. New enrollment figures from the PIAA should be out by the middle of November.

AA Football (District 1/District XII) Mr. Joe Stanley, Sports Chair for District XII, recommended the following structure for the Sub Regional AA football playoff game between District I and District XII.

1. The Public League AA Champion gets an automatic bid

2. The Catholic league AA Champion gets an automatic bid

3. The District One AA Champion gets an automatic bid

4. The team with the highest PIAA points per average a game from District XII or 1 gets a bid.

The points system will stop after the following weeks:

Public League regular season stops Week 8

Catholic League regular season stops Week 9

District One regular season stops Week 10

Week 11

The four teams will be seeded based on the point PIAA per average a game

1st seed – The highest point per average vs. 4th seed – the lowest points per average.

2nd seed – The second highest points per average vs. 3rd seed – the second lowest point per average.

Week12

The winners play for the Sub-Regional Championship

Archbishop Wood H.S. Football Website

It has been brought to the attention of the PIAA District XII committee that Archbishop Wood High School‘s Football team’s web-site is in direct conflict with ARTICLE VI, TRANSFERS, RESIDENCE, AND RECRUITING, Section 7, Recruiting, subsection B, sub-subsection 1, of the PIAA By-Laws.

According to information the District XII committee received from PIAA Executive Director Mr. Brad Cashman, Archbishop Wood’s football team has a web-site with a link “New Player Information”. Any current or future football player who would like to receive information about Archbishop Wood‘s football program is directed to contact (email) Steve Devlin, varsity football coach. The District XII committee is requesting that Archbishop Wood High School respond in writing to Mr. Robert Coleman, Executive Director of District XII, to the veracity of these recruiting allegations and the corrections Archbishop Wood High School will follow to be in compliance with the PIAA Rules and Regulations.

 

Next Meeting October 5